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Tuesday, November 23, 2004

And there you have it

The final post in the "Rate these players" thread on the Mob Forum reads as follows, if you have understandably given up on the whole thing :

"Trumper was the most successful player in the LNP series. As this was contested by the cream of British poker + the best player in the world Phil Hellmuth i think that makes Trumper numero uno. "

Credit to the poster for managing to express so many of the most common misconceptions about tournament poker so concisely. A fitting end to a thread containing more bollocks than perhaps any of its predecessors in the entire history of the Internet.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Outstanding well put, Andy. I was thinking of saying something similar on my site, but you've beaten me to it. The thread started with a completely pointless question and snowballed from there.


3:02 AM  
Blogger Big Dave D said...

Embarrassingly I got caught in a tangental thread about best up and coming player when it was about a guy I know, Burnley/Grumpy John. The poster clearly had not even played with the guy. But it was my bad to get involved in the half-wit thread. I'm done with THM now, there just doesnt seem much point anymore.


8:26 AM  
Blogger Andy_Ward said...

My personal favourite was the guy who said Teddykins had "been there and done it" and that anyone who criticised him was jealous. If by "it" he meant "made the final of a televised tournament on the back of 3 lifetimes' worth of luck, acted like a buffoon when he was there, and ended up winning an amount that three people win every month on the festival circuit" then yes, he's done it. And I'm sorry if that sounds jealous, because it might do, but it happens to be the truth, so I can either lie about it or sound jealous. C'est la vie.

10:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've not posted on HM for a week now and since installing comments on my blog, see less reason to than before. There is an element of the 'blind leading the blind' going on when it comes to the advice on offer and few really top class players have said anything.

In fact, the less you post, the more admired you are! I was fascinated when hundreds of people chipped in to congratualate Surinder Sunar on his win in Paris earlier this year. Regardless of how nice he might be as a person, and I've found him pleasant when I've spoken to him, the fact remains that Surinder has never once posted on the HM forum and probably never will. He has contributed exactly nothing to the poker community and yet he was lauded as a deity. By contrast, I have on occasions said a few constructive things that might have led people in the right direction, albeit sparingly and mixed in with lots of other stuff, and have had an unending volley of abuse.

The really top flight winning players like Gary Jones, Ben Roberts and Mick Cook (whom I respect a lot as a tournament player) never say a thing. Even the Mob themselves say little. One result is the misconceptions to which Andy alluded in his piece: the idea that the people whom you see on the telly are the big winners and the idea that the tournament players are the big winners from the game. These are rarely contested. Even if we believe that tournaments are the source of all poker wealth, the people I would personally like to have a share of are not the ones we've all heard of. The people who fascinate me are the 'local heros' who quietly get the lot in their local game and are seldom heard of. In Brighton, I would love to have a piece of Mick Clarke. I don't know how he does it, but he gets so many results there. In Luton and Brighton stud comps, I would like to have a piece of George Craft. I'm not saying that these people's earnings exceed what some of the telly players can make in a good year, but they don't have bad years and they don't need sponsorship to tide them over from one season to the next.

12:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The above was by me, by the way.

While, I am still ranting about the flaws in the HM forum, I also forgot to mention that it seems geographically biased to certain areas. We hear a lot about the South-East and Blackpool, a little from the Midlands scene and next to nothing about the North-East, Scotland, Wales and other parts of the north, like Leeds, Sheffield, Liverpool etc.


12:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Andy

Great blog , i think the guy referring to me was taking the piss . Winning 2 one table satellites to win Late Night Poker does not neccesarily prove you are a great player , the fact i then came second in my heat , won the semi and came second in the final of series 4 just proves the format suits my style of game . Having been written off i must say it was a pleasure to win in Amsterdam and top that up with a share in the £1500 in Walsall last weekend , see you soon ACES

5:10 PM  
Blogger Andy_Ward said...

Hi Simon,

I reckon he was being serious - there are a lot of people out there who think that what they see on TV is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I'm sure you can use that to your advantage when playing against the star-struck !

Nice to see you back in the money, hope to catch up with you soon.


6:09 PM  

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