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Wednesday, August 23, 2006

The Whole World's In A State O Chassis !

We did this play at school, by O'Casey, and I can't for the life of me remember what it was called. THE something. I suppose I can google it - ah, Juno And The Paycock. See, I was close. I do remember the plot, there was this bloke who was a bit of a twat, he inherited some money and basically bought loads of rounds with it but then it turned out there wasn't any money and now he was just massively in debt and his son died and some bloke shagged his daughter and in the end everyone ate each other. Education eh, where would we be without it. Oh, and he used to say "The whole world's in a state o' chassis'". This bloke.

The point is, I sometimes wonder, what if you won the World Series and went round Vegas larging it big style but in the end had the cash withheld, then where would you be ? Here, apparently. This is going to bear keeping an eye on. What I find remarkable, if this story is accurate, is that someone can pop up and say "hey, he owes me half of that" (rightly or wrongly) and that's enough for his prize to be withheld, according to Chief District Court Judge Kathy Hardcastle. For a moment I thought it was going to be Chief District Court Judge Kathy Liebert in her official judiciary robes of state (a minging purple shellsuit).

Maybe the judge is more familiar with the poker world than we think, and is making sure he doesn't get nipped for too much of it by tax-men, ex-wives and, basically, nippers, before he might have to cough up half of it to this other dude. Although Gold himself could use this as a major nipping strategy. Lend us $5000 will you, I have to buy another round of champagne. You know I've got 12 million coming ...

10 Comments:

Blogger David Young said...

The article mentions voicemail messages.

Perhaps oral contracts are binding in Las Vegas. Fancy that!

DY

6:36 PM  
Blogger chip_up said...

It's a little bit more complicated than just "popping up" to get such an injunction. You have to show, among other things, the likelihood of success on the merits as well as the threat of irreparable harm. As I understand it, the guy suing Gold has recordings that pretty conclusively establish an agreement of some sort, and he has alleged that, as a degenerate gambler, Gold would likely lose all of the money before the lawsuit could be resolved. It's pretty difficult to obtain such an order from a court.

6:38 PM  
Blogger Andy_Ward said...

Thanks guys,

The tone of this article on Poker News seems to me to imply that they think this guy's a chancer, but what you say about the judge needing to think there's good reason makes more sense.

What I find odd is that if I won any serious amount of money I wouldn't rest, or celebrate, or do anything until that money was (effectively via the bank) in my pocket. I have always remembered the gist of the play if not anything else about it :-)

Andy.

7:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There was an article done at Pokerati the day of the final table detailing Leyser's having half of Gold, which can be found at http://pokerati.com/2006/08/10/jamie-golds-horseman/

8:04 PM  
Blogger SimonG. said...

Not sure what the protocol is for main event winners, didn't realise there was any delay in getting your hands on it - even for those on the square!
Surely though the winner could get a quarter mill in cash (for celebratory purposes)on the spot and leave the rest on deposit to sort out when the hangover clears up?
You could probably play it cute and be given the "freedom of the Rio" for a while if you made the right noises to Harrahs - although with their reputation maybe not...

Quite a good example for comparison is Mike Tyson who still got the VIP treatment long after he went skint. Plenty of places were prepared to put up with his antics and freeloading entourage in return for the exposure they got, but of course patience ran out quickly enough (no doubt Tyson helped expedite that) and they cut him dead.

Long before I had seen this guy play a hand, all the reports were that he was a complete prick. Then I watched him play for a few hours and he seemed ok, nothing too OTT, and others were playing very poorly against him. His table talk was ridiculously transparent. Whatever he said, his opponents should have taken literally each time and they would have a perfect read.

But it sounds highly lkikely that he did verbally cut this guy in for half. If he tries to ride him out, which it sounds like is the case, then he is scum.

At last a true poker playing champ to represent the majorities....

10:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oral contracts are binding in the UK, and presumably USA too.

It's obviously more difficult to prove but you can't use the defense "Yes I agreed to pay him 50% but I didn't sign anything"

1:36 PM  
Blogger Andy_Ward said...

I suspect it might vary from state to state, so the question would be are oral contracts binding in Nevada.

I tried to find out but was soon fatally sidetracked by this (yay Internet) :

http://www.swlearning.com/blaw/cases/contracts/0305_contracts_01.html

Yes, the guy told a casino "don't let me in, I'm a sick gambler" and tried to sue them when they did, in fact, let him in to do his bollocks.

Andy.

3:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't help being surprised that Sean O'Casey made it on to an English curriculum

11:21 PM  
Blogger Andy_Ward said...

I grew up in Northern Ireland.

Andy.

8:23 AM  
Blogger SimonG. said...

Here's an interesting link putting the boot in some more:

http://defamer.com/hollywood/agents/jamie-gold-not-as-agenty-as-previously-claimed-194172.php

Lots of Hollywood agents ridiculing him, saying he might have taken a few messages, but that was it!

Also,apparently the only genuine star he had was Ron Jeremy. As his job was to put a couple of celebs in Bodog gear, you would have thought he would have started there surely? Rather than having to cut someone else in for half to go around and scrape up Scooby Doo...

9:14 AM  

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