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Friday, January 14, 2005

Worst Call Ever ?

I have to share this "good beat" story with you, I really think this is the worst call I have ever seen. Put it this way, trying to think of a worse one makes my head hurt. Setting the scene, $10 Rebuy tournament on Stars (I have my reasons), first level after the buyins, I have rebought straight away, added on and hardly played a hand, certainly none for all my chips, so I have just under 6000. 75-150 blinds, early position makes it 450 to go, I raise to 1350 with KK in late position. Small blind (has a few more chips than me) calls, original raiser folds.

The flop comes a fairly harmless looking T55 rainbow. He bets 600, bringing the pot up to about 4000. I think about going 2000 but there's not really much point so I just go all in. He calls fairly quickly and shows QJs. That is one hell of a call. Even if I show him 99/AT/AK or something he's live against he still doesn't have odds to call. In the event, against the hand I am clearly representing, he is 6% to win if he has a backdoor flush draw, which I don't know if he had or not, so shocked was I at the time. Without the flush draw he's 2%.

So thank you very much and do you play here every day, but the funny thing is the turn came a King and the river an Ace so he made a straight, which lost to my house. Had this happened on a flop of T54 I would have been talking to myself all day. Every now and then someone comes up with a hand like this where the hopeless caller wins, and cites it as "proof" of some kind of cheating. How could he call if he didn't know the straight was coming ? Well, I still don't know, to be honest, but here's someone who made just such a call who wasn't cheating. Sometimes you just have to accept that bad players make much worse plays than a sensible person can imagine.


Blogger The Camel said...

Ok. Bad beat alert. It was the one time I was really angry and upset about a beat because it was pretty similar to the one you describe. Except I lost.

£250 No limit comp at Luton. Down to the last two tables I have 25k which was below average but far from desperate.

Blinds are 1000-2000. Passed to me on the button and I raise to 7000 with A6 hearts.

Dick Lynch with exactly the same amount of chips calls in the BB.

Flop comes 963 with two hearts. Yum yum.

Dicky checks and I decide not to fuck around and move in for 15k. He calls. His hand? QT spades.

Obviously he hits an off suit Queen on the river. And as I'm struggling out of my seat, he looks around the table who were all shocked into silence and said, "I knew he didn't have much..."

The roulette table took a pounding that night I'm ashamed to say...

4:22 PM  
Blogger Andy_Ward said...

Not even close mate. He had a whopping 14% chance to win. Plus he knew you didn't have much !


10:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lionel here.. my worst beat was at Luton as well. Just as I was leaving the car park having done my dough, messers Parker and Young jumped out of nowhere offering me money for a lift to baker street. It was about to snow, & around 4am so my charitable nature took over and I managed to get &40 out of them (which as you know Andy is about a 3.5% chance) but I then got horribly outdrawn as they argued for the whole journey. DY started it by saying if you were playing 5 card draw against everyone else in the whole world what hand would you want to be dealt. PP said a royal flush, DY said wrong and that was it. They will never how close we all came to crossing over the motorway barrier into the incoming traffic.

6:34 PM  
Blogger The Camel said...

Who was hosting this game for the whole world?

They better have got the spare chairs out from the back bedroom and bought plenty of nibbles (Twiglets and hula hoops) for the game.

7:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't recall this at all. Of course the Royal is the hand that you want.

However, there is a separate argument that goes like this. If you were dealt a king-high straight flush and were playing it against the whole world, would it be value. The answer is no. Even though you would win the lot when nobody else had a royal, it would be so rare that you wouldn't be +EV.

There is a mathematical proof for this. But I don't know it.


1:40 PM  
Blogger The Camel said...

Maybe you want to be dealt 4 aces, because you know noone has got the royal and you can bet the ultimate in "blockers" against people that assume you have a royal flush.

5:32 PM  

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