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Wednesday, December 29, 2004

Lazy Afternoon

Chilling out here, not much to do but surf the web and see what's what. A recent post from Daniel Negreanu caught my eye on his site. Read this now. Full marks to Negreanu for being so honest about this. A lot of people will read this and think, as he says, what the hell have you got to complain about ? However, it's simple human nature that after a high you have to "come down" at some point. Whether this high is artificially induced or a natural high caused by, for example, winning $1.5 million in a poker tournament (and by all accounts crushing the field from two tables out), the low will follow. Hundreds of poker players, maybe thousands, have self-destructed because they either didn't understand why they felt low a while after a big success, or because they tried too hard to repeat the high. Read this now as I say, and if you are fortunate enough to make a big score (whatever that is for you, it's all relative), read it every day for a month.

Indirectly, via Negreanu's forum, I noticed that Roy the Boy has been embarrassing himself again. Now I'm the first person to say don't put poker players on a pedestal because of the odd play, a couple of results or even plain reputation, but neither should you cast them down on flimsy evidence. If Roy, or anyone else, wants to criticise Chan or Lederer based on their own experience of playing against them over a period of time, fine. However, to do so based on one hand taken out of context on TV is ludicrous. It is also completely baseless to claim some kind of European superiority of America as a result of World Series results. Only the best European players are going to make the trip (plus a few tourists like me), to play against the whole American poker population from A to Z. His other "evidence" is that half a dozen Americans couldn't win any of their 16-runner heats in the Dublin WPC. So what ? Proves nothing.

Poker is an individual game. Setting it up as Europe v America is pointless. I'm all for a bit of camaraderie when you're on foreign shores, but often you hear people say something like "good luck to all the Brits against them Yanks" and I think why ? There are plenty of British players on whom I wouldn't piss if they were on fire. Conversely there are Americans I have played against who have been nothing but friendly and likeable - Chip Jett, Frankie O'Dell and (briefly) Paul Phillips for example, and I'd always root for them.

Patriotism aside, if you really want to know how good someone is, play against them, live. If you can't do that (and fair enough, we can't all sit down in that Bellagio game just to find out how good Ivey really is), then listen to what they say and read what they write. Chan is clearly a "coaches in the car park" man, nothing wrong with that, but Lederer's trip reports on RGP are top notch and show a deep understanding of the game. I can't say the same for Brindley, who first caught my eye with a "Play of the Month" report in Poker Europa in praise of a pathetic piece of angle-shooting, and has never impressed me since.

As for me, I enjoyed myself so much in Luton the other night I'm going to switch my focus back to live play for a while. I've made $4,000 in three months online but god damn it's been boring, and at times very frustrating. We'll call that proof of concept, and should I ever hit the skids (even if only in poker terms) it's there to play. I am in the process of booking for the Bellagio WPT finals in April ; between now and then I'm going to work on my game as an intellectual challenge, and any money I make's a bonus.

I guess that was quite a ramble ! Why not though on a lazy afternoon, at least until my appointment with the nurse to have my ears syringed. Don't say I never write anything personal on here. And watch out next time I play, because I'll be able to hear you muttering "43 ? What kind of hand's that" !

Half an hour later update : Another titbit I have to share with you from my afternoon of surfing. Here's a hand Simon Trumper descibes in his diary.

"During the first level of 25 50 I made it 250 to go with TT. One limper called, flop was 9 T J, both checked, turn Q, he bet 200, I called, river 8, he checked as did I. He had called my raise with K8. I knew if I had bet the flop he would have called as later I saw him call a bet on the turn with K7 on a flop of 3 9 7 T. He caught a K on the river to win."

This is what you're up against with the real top players. They can see into the future and read you based on what you're going to do in a later hand ! Just kidding Simon, I think I know what you meant :-)

Later that day I can now hear like Amarillo Slim (I'll tell ya boy I can hear a mouse pee on cotton). Insert own joke about what Amarillo Slim likes to hear. Moving right along. It's giving me a headache to be honest. I'm like that guy in Captain Corelli's Mandolin, much more of this and I'm going to go back and ask them to put it all back in. No really it's much better, and maybe the headache is actually due to reading too many of Roy's exploits over the past few months. I have often wondered what exactly it is that sponsors get for their money. Usually they can rely on at least a bit of glad-handling of the Internet qualifiers. Our man's above all that though :

"I’d already decided it was not prudent to find any of the thirty or so Ladbrokes qualifiers on the flight, as the prospect of a hyper-excited millionaire candidate bashing my ear for the duration of the flight talking flops, sets, straights and slow-play was a little too much to digest considering the seven day card fest ahead.

Poker Million seat winner and now WSOP qualifier Mark Wallis says “hi” as he scrambles back to 34F (sounds like a desirable bra size) but, desperate to avoid talking poker, I sink back in my chair head bowed searching for one of those caps I hate so much."

And the amazing thing is he writes this in his own column on Ladbrokes' website. I don't know. You think the guy in Luton who calls your raise with J4 is the biggest mug in the game - he's nothing compared to some of these sponsors. Enough already. The time I spent ploughing through these was rewarded in the end by the revelation that Roy thinks people from Manchester speak with a Manchurian accent. I'm still chuckling at that one. I know, I'm such a bitch !


Blogger Eyeofsauron said...

Quote: The time I spent ploughing through these was rewarded in the end by the revelation that Roy thinks people from Manchester speak with a Manchurian accent.

I had to laugh at that one..... seeing as I live just down road near Rochdale, and got a very broad Lancashire accent!

Roy the boy seems to be writing about things he has very little idea about. Maybe he's been hanging out with his mate Jac Arama for too long. One day, he might become a man, but I doubt it.

12:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When the boy Roy walks into my local cardroom for a big tournie, a hush descends upon the place. A couple of good players walk out knowing that their chances of winning have seriously diminished. Roy looks like he isn’t aware of any of this, chats briefly to a couple of dealers, signs a few autographs, and then walks straight up to the head honcho (manager) and greets him like a long lost brother. He knows he’s The Man, we know he’s The Man. Then the tournie starts, horror of horrors – he’s at my table. I raise with Kings pre-flop, he reraises, I think for a long time and go all-in. He gives me the old Devilfish staredown, I begin to shake, he calls and turns over Jacks. Gets a Jack on the river and I’m history. He looks at me as if he’s saying ‘nice try Kid – keep practicing – someday you’ll be able to make a play like that” and I’m unable to look him in the eye. I mumble something, get up and head straight to the bathroom and throw up. That Roy – he did it to me again. He’s the best.


10:57 AM  
Blogger Big Dave D said...

I think the kindest thing that could be said about The Boy is that he is an idiot. Similar could be said for Ladbrokes, and all the other second tier poker sites for going through this poker charade. Its interesting to note that the top 3, PP, PS and UB, don't sponsor anyone. The whole sponsorship thing seems to me to be irrelevent - what difference does it make to a guy playing micro-limit NL that the site is sponsoring an idiot, or a coke-freek, or a degenerate gambler. Or even Mother Teresa. What do they "get" from it? Christ now that they have hit the big time, The Mob can't be even found half the time on their own site. It all reminds me of the Dot Com thing, where businesses with too much money and too poor quality people were just doing what everyone else did, just because they did it.



10:36 AM  
Blogger SimonG. said...

I wouldn't ordinarily dare to hijack your diary to mention my new blog, but as you are part of the reason for me "succumbing" and not posting tips etc on forums then hopefully you can take it in your stride....

1:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Big Dave D, you might wanna check out UB's no sponsoring policy, i suppose they just give Annie Duke Antonio Esterfadi and Devilfish jackets to keep them warm.

2:19 PM  
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6:35 PM  
Blogger Big Dave D said...


Im fairly certain that in the case of Devil and Duke, they are investors in UB. Dunno about Antonio. They certainly dont "promote" it as aggressively as the other guys.


8:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Could you let me know when you are planing on going to Vegas and what flights you are planning. I may need to get away from this shitty life for another week or so there some time between now and June.

Of course, any sane person might consider my company sopmething to avoid at all costs, so feel free to lie and then to apologize that you had a "last minute change of plans".

Pete B

12:50 AM  

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